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				Scoring question
				Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:29 pm
				by Ozball
				
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:47 pm
				by Referee
				Ryuu Issou, 32000 on ron, 16000/8000 on tsumo. Oya 48000 on ron, 16000 each on tsumo.
If you had won on  

  and the rules allow that it is Ryuu Issou Suu Ankou Tanki, for a triple yakuman. All the figures above are tripled.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:54 pm
				by Ozball
				Referee wrote:Ryuu Issou, 32000 on ron, 16000/8000 on tsumo. Oya 48000 on ron, 16000 each on tsumo.
That's what I thought, however the answer sheet says: ko 16000 ron, 6000/12000 tsumo - oya 24000 ron, 12000 tsumo.
Referee wrote:If you had won on  

  and the rules allow that it is Ryuu Issou Suu Ankou Tanki, for a triple yakuman. All the figures above are tripled.
 
Do you mean  

?
Question source: 
http://www.ma-jan.or.jp/wp-content/uplo ... t_2013.pdf 
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:10 pm
				by Referee
				Yes,  

 . My bad.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:22 pm
				by Shirluban
				From the JPML rules:
•	緑一色   發を含まなければならない
According to Google trad, it means that All Green must include the 

.
I didn't knew that one. 

 
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:52 pm
				by or2az
				Barticles guide states that in some versions it must include the green dragon while in others its not required.
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:01 pm
				by Barticle
				Yup, another one of those rule options that you'll probably only ever need once in a lifetime. (if you're lucky!)
As a matter of fact I just started playing the new PS3 game Mahjong Haoh: Dankyū Battle 3 this week and this is one of the (83!) rule settings in the game.
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:51 pm
				by Ozball
				Shirluban wrote:From the JPML rules:
•	緑一色   發を含まなければならない
According to Google trad, it means that All Green must include the 

.
I didn't knew that one. 

 
Fair enough. That explains it. What's the source for the JPML rules? I wouldn't mind going over them before this weekend.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:45 am
				by Scott Miller
				My understanding is the JPML A rules require the  

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連盟Aルールでは發なし緑一色は認められません。
...and JPML B rules allow yakuman without  

.
緑一色は發がなくとも良い
As always, if I'm misinterpreting, please correct me.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:22 am
				by Shirluban
				Ozball wrote:Fair enough. That explains it. What's the source for the JPML rules? I wouldn't mind going over them before this weekend.
JPML rules are on the JPML website ;P
http://www.ma-jan.or.jp/guide/game_rule.html
But it's not up to date: website says B-rules' uma is "+30、+10、▲10、▲30", while Jenn (JPML pro player) says B-rules' uma is now +15/+5/-5-/15.
You will also found useful resources at the bottom of this page: 
http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~simon/riichi/committee/.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:20 pm
				by Shirluban
				Scott Miller wrote:...and JPML B rules allow yakuman without  

.
緑一色は發がなくとも良い
 
I can't tell for sure, but I don't see any thing on the JPML website (cleraly) saying that.
The rule page and 
this guide say JPML A rule scores yakuman with 

, but both are mute about B rule.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Scoring question
				Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:43 pm
				by Kyuu
				Distinction between hatsu or not pertaining to Ryuu Iisou?  Oh man, now that's a nightmare.  
