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Zung Jung vs MCR

Post by Nick12345 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:39 am

As about differences of zung jung and MCR: I think MCR doesn't have
1) dead wall,
2) riverbed and
3) seabed tiles,
4) robbing a kong,
while zung jung have them? True?

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Re: Zung Jung vs MCR

Post by Shirluban » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:14 am

If by riverbed and seabed tiles you mean winning on the last tile from the wall and on the last discarded tile, then MCR have them.
As well as robbing a kong,
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Re: Zung Jung vs MCR

Post by Nick12345 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:49 am

Here under MCR chapter I did not read such info:
https://www.mahjongtime.com/chinese-off ... rules.html
But those info are in zung jung chapter. As you said MCR have them, so I guess this manual is a bit cofusing. Any full manual of MCR?

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Re: Zung Jung vs MCR

Post by Barticle » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:12 pm

The three combinations are in the long list of patterns:

https://www.mahjongtime.com/chinese-official-mahjong-scoring-4.html

"40. Last Tile Draw
Going out on a draw of the very last tile of the game. Does not combine with Self-drawn.

41. Last Tile Claim
Going out off the discard which is the last tile in the game.

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44. Robbing the Kong
Winning off the tile that a player adds to a melded Pung to create a Kong. Does not combine with Fully Concealed Hand."

(Those English names are more descriptive. Translations of the kanji names are rather more poetic - 海底撈月 means "catching the moon from the bottom of the sea" (in classical Chinese rules the moon was the 1 Dots tile) and 河底撈魚 is "catching a fish from the bottom of the river".

This page specifies that there's no dead wall so tiles are drawn from the whole wall:

https://www.mahjongtime.com/chinese-official-mahjong-rules-4.html

"No dead Tiles will be designated. The Play continues until the last tile has been used."

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Re: Zung Jung vs MCR

Post by Shirluban » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:27 pm

You can find all editions of MCR rules and some translations on my website (as well as EMA Riichi rules and WRC rules):
https://ooyamaneko.net/mahjong/

You can find Zung Jung rules on its creator's website:
http://www.zj-mahjong.info/#English
Edit: It looks like this site have a few broken links. :cry:
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Re: Zung Jung vs MCR

Post by Barticle » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:37 pm

Zung Jung and MCR/CO rules both use simple additive scoring where points for each pattern/condition are added.

The big difference is that MCR has over 80 patterns while Zung Jung has only 44.

Also in MCR a winning hand requires at least 8 points whereas Zung Jung is usually played without a minimum requirement.

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