Making Mahjong Card Game

[ryulusus]

Hello to all

After some digging up, and since I need to restructure the stuff I'm going to make,
here's the list I currently have to make in the future:

136 BASE CARDS (4 x 9 Character, 4 x 9 Coins suit, 4 x 9 Bamboo suit, 4 x 4 Winds, 4 x 3 Dragons)
4 x Seasons
4 x Flowers
3 x red fives
4 x malaysian kings
4 x malaysian queens
3 x malasyan The General : can be used instead of any suit tile
3 x malasyan Dragon Lady : stand for any dragon tile
3 x malasyan Lord of Craks : stand for any wan tile
3 x malasyan Lord of winds : stand for any wind tile
3 x malasyan Lord of Dots: stand for any pin tile
3 x malasyan Lord of Bams : stand for any sou tile
3 x malasyan Big Flower : stand for any flower
3 x malasyan The emperor : stand for any tile
4 x malaysian fly
1 x malaysian cat
1 x malaysian rat
1 x malaysian cock
1 x malaysian worm
4 x malaysian face (interesting this one, looks like a normal card joker)
1 x malaysian fisherman
1 x malaysian fish
1 x malaysian liu hai
1 x malaysian liu hai 3 legged frog
1 x malaysian Zhao Gong Ming / Rich Man
1 x malaysian pot of gold
1 x chinese 100 uses tile

Extras and Goods

1 x Special Wind / Dealer Marker
Lot x Scoring sticks
4 x yakitori
4 x Yakimochi (version of yakitori, sanme use)
1 x Wareme (had it in my mini-set bought from the shop... looks like a legged eye ?:!? a character for it anyone?)

Tom, add-ons to this are welcome although that I'm not going to make the art versions of the things I saw on your FAQ, since many are just versions of these jokers

Review welcome

Cheers

[Torgo]

If you're doing all that, you might as well add 8 Jokers for American style. I hear it's pretty popular over here.

Also, many of the Chinese sets I've seen for sale (on eBay) have 4 Chinese jokers (100 uses), FWIW.

[Barticle]

Wow, that's pretty comprehensive.

3 x red fives

You might as well include six or even twelve. That gives maximum flexibility and you can simply repeat the existing designs.

4 x Yakimochi (version of yakitori, sanme use)

I seem to recall that's one I invented?

You'll need a supply of delicious rice-cakes if you're going to play that optional rule!

There are various spellings here: http://tangorin.com/general/yakimochi

1 x Wareme (had it in my mini-set bought from the shop... looks like a legged eye ?:!? a character for it anyone?)

Wareme markers in video-games tend to use 割 which is the first kanji in the word "wareme" 割れ目.

[Shirluban]

Wow!
I think you've covered almost every existing tiles!

Most of them are not Malaysian, but that's not big deal.

[ryulusus]

You might as well include six or even twelve. That gives maximum flexibility and you can simply repeat the existing designs.

6 or 12 red 5s? I thought they could only enter a game as in 1 R5 per set (bamboo,coin,character)?

Wareme markers in video-games tend to use 割 which is the first kanji in the word "wareme" 割れ目.

So that would be the Wa or Me kanji? Trying to find the cursive artistic character.

If you're doing all that, you might as well add 8 Jokers for American style. I hear it's pretty popular over here.
Also, many of the Chinese sets I've seen for sale (on eBay) have 4 Chinese jokers (100 uses), FWIW.

Sure, name them and send me a link for photos, I'll add to the list.
On the second one, is that right guys? 4 x 100 Uses on sets?

Most of them are not Malaysian, but that's not big deal

Which ones are not Malasyan (and from where are they)?

Cheers
Luis

[Torgo]

If you're doing all that, you might as well add 8 Jokers for American style. I hear it's pretty popular over here.

Sure, name them and send me a link for photos, I'll add to the list.

Tom Sloper has pictures of a few jokers here: http://www.sloperama.com/mjfaq/mjfaq7t.htm
That first one is the current de facto standard. There are 8 identical joker tiles in American style sets.
He has another page with an image of historical jokers here: http://www.sloperama.com/mjfaq/age.htm

Google images has a ton more too.

[Shirluban]

Which ones are not Malasyan (and from where are they)?

Not specific tiles: BASE CARDS, Seasons, Flowers
Not so specific: cat, rat, cock, worm, fisherman, fish, liu hai, liu hai 3 legged frog, Rich Man, pot of gold
Japanese: red fives
Vietnamese: kings, queens, The General, Dragon Lady, Lord of Craks, Lord of winds, Lord of Dots, Lord of Bams, Big Flower, The emperor
Malaysian: fly, face
Chinese: 100 uses
American / European: Joker

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Malaysian "164 tiles" have more flowers/seasons and other animals drawing:
16 numbered Flowers (from 1 to 4) : 4 red, 4 blue, 4 green, 4 brown
8 un-numbered Flowers (=Animals) : Dragon & Pearl, Little tortoises & Big tortoise, Bird & Cage, Rooster & Worm
http://www.sloperama.com/mahjongg/malaysian.htm

[Barticle]

6 or 12 red 5s? I thought they could only enter a game as in 1 R5 per set (bamboo,coin,character)?

With a typical Japanese set you could only play with up to four red fives (two in coins) although rarely you might get a set with six.

Some video-games allow up to four per suit though, for twelve in total. Of course the more you have, the more they dominate the game.

Wareme markers in video-games tend to use 割 which is the first kanji in the word "wareme" 割れ目.

So that would be the Wa or Me kanji? Trying to find the cursive artistic character.

It's the Wa.

I just tried doing an image search on 割 ("split" or "cut") and 草 ("grass" denoting cursive-style "grass script") but all I got was pictures of lawnmowers!

[Barticle]

I gave up on searching for images and downloaded some nice new fonts instead.

Here's a selection for you.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3442/38859814.jpg

[ryulusus]

Thank Shirluban, investigating.
Thanks for that Barticle! I chose the bottom down left one for reference.

I would like people to elucidate me on the Wareme idesa though. I believe they double the score,
but culturally speaking, what is the meaning of the Wareme?

Seems a bit obscure

Cheers
Luis

[Barticle]

I would like people to elucidate me on the Wareme idesa though. I believe they double the score,
but culturally speaking, what is the meaning of the Wareme?

When used, the Wareme rule applies to the player whose side of the wall was broken after the dice roll at the start of the hand. Any individual payment for a win involving that player will be doubled. There was a summary posted recently... http://www.reachmahjong.com/en/forum/vi ... 71&p=52976

With the spelling I gave above, "wareme" means a split or a gap - so the name refers to the break in the wall.

[ryulusus]

Hi to all

Continuing the Card Game Project after the post on the main Directory

So we have at the present time:

136 BASE CARDS
(4 x 9 Char,
4 x 9 Coins,
4 x 9 Bam,
4 x 4 Winds,
4 x 3 Dragons)

4 x Seasons
4 x Flowers
3 x japaneses red fives

4 x Vietnamese kings
4 x Vietnamese queens
3 x Vietnamese The General : can be used instead of any suit tile
3 x Vietnamese Dragon Lady : stand for any dragon tile
3 x Vietnamese Lord of Craks : stand for any wan tile
3 x Vietnamese Lord of winds : stand for any wind tile
3 x Vietnamese Lord of Dots: stand for any pin tile
3 x Vietnamese Lord of Bams : stand for any sou tile
3 x Vietnamese Big Flower : stand for any flower
3 x Vietnamese The emperor : stand for any tile

4 x malaysian fly
1 x dragon
1 x pearl
1 x little tortoise
1 x big tortoise
1 x bird
1 x cage
1 x cat
1 x rat
1 x cock / rooster
1 x worm
4 x malaysian face (interesting this one, looks like a normal card joker)
1 x fisherman
1 x fish
1 x liu hai
1 x liu hai 3 legged frog
1 x Zhao Gong Ming / Rich Man
1 x pot of gold
1 x chinese 100 uses tile
8 x american / european Joker

4 x numbered red flowers
4 x numbered blue flowers
4 x numbered green flowers
4 x numbered brown flowers

Goods

1 x Special Wind / Dealer Marker
Lot x Scoring sticks
4 x yakitori
4 x Yakimochi (version of yakitori, sanme use)
1 x Wareme

Now, can anyone tell me exactly what is the USA/EU Joker actually depicting? Is that a pizza?
Shirluban, numbered flowers? I don't know the symbols on it... or what they look like.

Cheers
Luis

[Shirluban]

Now, can anyone tell me exactly what is the USA/EU Joker actually depicting? Is that a pizza?
Shirluban, numbered flowers? I don't know the symbols on it... or what they look like.

I'm afraid each manufacturer have his own jokers design, or something like that (Tom would know better than me).
I donno what it's supposed to be. Maybe some beast, ... or a pizza.

(I like the automatic translation "Mah Jong Joker Tee Shirt" -> "Tee-shirt de joker d'heure-milliampère Jong T-shirt" )


I trend to use "flowers" as a generic term for Flowers, Seasons, Animals and any other tile not really used in play (like North in 3 player Riichi).
By "numbered flowers", I just mean "a set of (common) flowers/season numbered from 1 to 4".
I don't think the exact colors are important, as long you can sort out the different sets.
And I don't have any pictures of Malaysian ones, except those on Sloperama. Sorry.

[Tom Sloper]

Now, can anyone tell me exactly what is the USA/EU Joker actually depicting? Is that a pizza?
Shirluban, numbered flowers? I don't know the symbols on it... or what they look like.

I assume it's a dragon (see the eyes?) and the original image has been simplified and simplified again with a "generational loss" to the extent that it's now unrecognizable. I've never seen a clearer version to say for certain.

[ryulusus]

Hi

Well I could use the "displaced" image as well, not a problem, if that is the "standard" used one at the present time.

Right now as you might have guessed I'm in the pre-editing phase, gathering the materials to start making the cards and goods and also trying to understand the meaning of them, since I'm not just going to copy the known symbols into the cards (I guess there is already too much of that around). I'll add some artistic freedom to them

Also, there are still some "non-countrynized" cards here. Can you specify the country they're from?
(there is a reason for that, you'll see in the final result)

1 x dragon
1 x pearl
1 x little tortoise
1 x big tortoise
1 x bird
1 x cage
1 x cat
1 x rat
1 x cock / rooster
1 x worm
1 x fisherman
1 x fish
1 x liu hai
1 x liu hai 3 legged frog
1 x Zhao Gong Ming / Rich Man
1 x pot of gold

Also, after shirluban's reply to the malaysian numbered flowers, do you see on my list any cards which actually do the same as the below?

4 x numbered red flowers
4 x numbered blue flowers
4 x numbered green flowers
4 x numbered brown flowers

The reason being that I would not really know where to start... Tom, can you help out on these?

Cheers
Luis